grim at reaperworld.com
Sun Dec 27 22:46:32 EST 2015
Actually, if all we're doing is checking network status and handling a
signal on (dis)?connect we should check if we can just do it via GIO. That
way it should just work, removes a dependency, and everyone is hopefully
happy :-D I'll take a look when I have some time later.
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Michael McConville <mmcco at mykolab.com>
> Jorge Villaseñor wrote:
> > Michael McConville wrote:
> > > Ethan Blanton wrote:
> > > > Gary Kramlich spake unto us the following wisdom:
> > > > > Wait, are we actually talking about disabling by default instead of
> > > > > updating to the newer version that'll make things better?
> > > >
> > > > I think they're two separate issues, actually. But a newer version
> > > > NM won't really *fix* its crapitudity, it's rather endemic. It will
> > > > just take care of some specific complaints we have (the nature of
> > > > which I don't recall at the moment).
> > > >
> > > > I am ambivalent on enable or disable by default; I simply said that
> > > > may be reasonable to disable by default. Mike simply uses systems
> > > > that don't work properly with a wide range of software (including
> > > > so he doesn't like it. ;-)
> > >
> > > True, to an extent. :-) NM does seem like an eminently optional
> > > feature, though. As far as I can tell, we only use it to get a hint of
> > > whether the network is up.
> > >
> > > I'm also biased against NM in general, having fought its VPN-related
> > > bugs in the past.
> > >
> > I agree with explicit configuration so users know what they are building.
> > I would suggest we take our biases out and let the user or distributor
> > decide what they want in their builds.
> > I don't recall which functionallity does NM provide to us, if it worth
> > it or not, but I think that is a different discussion.
> I didn't mean for that bias comment to be taken particularly seriously.
> I think we all agree that the configuration should be explicit. It seems
> like the discussion is just whether or not NM should be on by default.
> What are your thoughts on that? I think it should probably be off by
> default because it's only used for a minor supporting feature and it's
> usually only available on one platform.
Gary Kramlich <grim at reaperworld.com>
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