http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/2367 - 2.1.0 GUI
correnthean at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 1 21:24:06 EDT 2007
>From: "Sean Egan" <seanegan at gmail.com>
>To: "Andrew Roeder" <correnthean at hotmail.com>
>CC: devel at pidgin.im
>Subject: Re: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/2367 - 2.1.0 GUI
>Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:59:28 -0700
>The original designer's mock-up that evolved into the infopane was
>http://pidgin.im/~seanegan/new-conversation-window.png and was almost
>immediately deemed Way Too Big. It's hard to find the appropriate
>balance between "too big" and "too small," and this seemed like a good
>This is the same size as the icons on the buddy list, which nobody has
>complained about. I'm not sure why it's deemed important to have the
>full-sized icon on your screen all the time.
I do not demand a "full-sized" Icon Sean, I have not complained of the icons
on the buddy list, because -I don't use them and if they were larger then
they would create tremendous clutter for the buddy list- I'm also aware that
my icon is displayed at 32x32 on my buddy list, but I really don't mind that
since it is my icon, and I have no need at all to see it. I'm merely trying
to convey that the current icon is just too small, and the old icons were at
times too large yes.
>I prefer my windows smaller, but sometimes having lots of tabs forces
>my window wider; never so wide that I feel any space is being wasted,
>It's still not valid to say that because you want your window to take
>up more space than it needs that Pidgin is at fault for not using all
>the space you give it. I don't blame google.com for not taking the
>full height of my browser window.
Really in this aspect, it is Pidgin's fault this space is not used, I don't
have the option to use it, therefor it is the designer and program's fault,
not mine. And obviously I don't want pidgin stretching out icons across my
toolbar, I specifically want more icons and options easily available.
> > I do not necessarily want tooltips on menus, but they are less intrusive
> > then a constant description on the toolbar for each, personally I would
> > content with no descriptions, if the icon is of obvious design(which I
> > believe they are.) You are able to determine their use without needing
> > description. Removal of these descriptions would negate the need for
> > the dropdown menus while maintaining a small toolbar for users who want
> > this. The most common uses should be icons on the toolbar, I feel the
> > buttons are unnecessarily large for their purposes, and this is why I
> > it would be an acceptable change.
>Which is it?
>Do the buttons take up too much space, as you argue in the previous
>paragraph, or too much space, as you argue here.
I don't really understand this question. I was saying that I do not need
descriptions at all for my buttons, the icons are enough, and the
descriptions currently lengthen the size of the buttons.
With the descriptions removed there would be space for more buttons, while
maintaining the small toolbar usage.
I've touched on this before in GUI related topics, but why is it never
considered that GUI configurability should be much more than "feature
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